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16/43 sprockets optimum for DL1000

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#1 · (Edited)
After reading the thread called called "New sprockets", I feel this subject is worth its own thread. I've read everything I could find on the subject of sprocket changes on this and other Strom sites, and still feel the subject hasn't been clearly and completely addressed. Usually it's a "Whole new bike!" or "Love it!" kind of thing that doesn't get detailed enough. Not enough for me, anyway. Some may feel that I'm scourging an expired equine, but if I thought so I wouldn't be outgassing in this fashion. With that said:

I don't know why this bike comes from the factory with a 17-tooth front sprocket and a 41-tooth rear sprocket. Who can fathom the inscrutable minds of Japanese motorcycle manufacturers? To cite one example, why did they wait nearly 20 years to fix the irksome deficiencies of the KLR650? Ever heard of the doohickey? Yes, that's Kawasaki, but the phenomenon of Asian bike builders not quickly addressing issues that are often bad enough to spawn healthy and long-lived aftermarket industries is legendary.

To be fair, the sprocket ratio of the DL1000 may have something to do with emissions and dynamometer tests. Who knows.

Back to the DL1000: If you tour, and especially if you head off the asphalt or concrete onto steep, bumpy, or rutted roads--or all of those--the problem with the stock 17/41 sprocket setup becomes quickly evident. If you have a heavy load on the bike, it's even more evident, and more irritating.

First gear for the DL1000, regardless of the sprocket setup, is generally too low for "cruising" on any rough road. The bike's throttle response is too violent, and easing up on the throttle once you have reached a speed of only a few miles per hour causes the bike to jerk -- especially unnerving if you're riding standing up, as it suddenly pitches you forward. For bad roads or slow cruising, you must be in second gear. And that's the problem in the stock 17/41 sprocket setup. It's too "tall" -- geared too high -- for this purpose. At speeds of 15-25 MPH, the comfort range for tooling along comfortably on a lumpy or rutted dirt/gravel road, the engine revs are too low. And if you get into any sort of trouble, like suddenly having to climb a steep section or go over a short ledge, you don't have the torque available. You find yourself increasing the revs and slipping the clutch constantly. It works but it's tiresome.

At the other end of the spectrum, with the stock 17/41 setup, it is universally agreed that overdrive (6th gear) is fairly useless on the DL1000 unless you're going to continually and greatly exceed the common 70-75 MPH interstate speed. If you have a heavy or bulky load, or are heading into the wind, the uselessness of this gear is doubly underscored. In sum, to use OD on the Vee you have to keep the speed and revs up far higher than the usual prevailing traffic, and if you need an even moderately rapid increase in speed, you're going to be downshifting.

I tried the stock 17/41 for a couple of months after buying the bike. Even with nothing loaded on the bike, that sprocket setup was not suited to bad-road riding. Then I went to 17/43 for a few months. While this was a noticeable improvement for low-speed cruising on any type of road, overdrive was still pretty useless.

I finally bought a 16-tooth SunStar. Wrenched it on. Rode the bike.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about. That's the thing about which I speak. That's the subject upon which I'm holding forth. The bike is happy -- snappier, better RPM range for each gear, perfect for low-speed bumping along rutted roads, absolutely no problem starting out with a heavy load, even on a steep incline. And best of all, sixth gear is now usable. Higher revs and more torque available at normal interstate speeds. Less downshifting, if any at all, when passing trucks or doing any other maneuvering. Perfect.

By the way, I'm sure 16/44 would be fine. And 17/45 is also close to the 16/43 ratio. The big advantage of 16/43 is that you don't have to buy a new chain. Total cost for this absolutely great modification is about $60. You won't spend better money on the DL1000.

As for gas mileage, who cares? I just want the bike to perform, and if I spend another $50-$100 a year in gas to get this performance (which may not even be the case, by the way) then I figure that's an astounding bargain.
 
#44 ·
Gentlemen, are you running the stock 112 links on your 16/43 combos? Everything I read and study from the gearing commander site and other subject matter experts is that a 16 tooth sprocket on a 112 link chain is very bad for chain / sprocket longevity. After all my research, I went with the 17/43 combo and am happy with how it behaves with that...especially in the 25-35 mph range. Luckily my chain had about 1600 miles on it when I changed over from stock, otherwise 112 links would not have fit. I am curious what kind of real world chain and sprocket life are you guys getting and did you go down to 110 or up to 114 to get away from the dead even / non-hunting ratio??
 
#45 ·
So, the reason that the Egg-spurts don't like a 16 (even) tooth sprocket is because with a 112 link chain (or any even number of links) the same teeth of the sprocket will touch only the same links of the chain. They (the egg-spurts) feel this will cause a chain to wear more in one way than another.


Who cares? Just run the chain and replace it and the sprockets when they wear out. Try aligning your drive-train and you'll get more benefit than selecting odd numbers of teeth/links. Selectng the right gear ratio is of more importance than how long your "chain" lasts
 
#47 ·
stock chain and 17/45 sprocket setup

The bikes do vary in both dimensions and symmetry -- as I found out when installing a Scott's steering stabilizer -- but most new bike will apparently accept a 16/43 sprocket setup without changing the OEM chain. My bike, with about 675 miles when I made the switch,took the new sprockets with no problem.

Some people are worried about increased wear on a smaller (16 tooth) sprocket and increased wear on the swingarm protector. I have no idea about these two things long-term, but when this chain wears out (maybe before) I'm going to a 17/45 sprocket setup. the ratio is virtually identical to 16/43, but there will be no question about premature wear on the swingarm protector or the front sprocket.

Also considering going to a 530 chain for increased chain life when I make the sprocket switch. Just cuz.
 
#52 ·
The bikes do vary in both dimensions and symmetry -- as I found out when installing a Scott's steering stabilizer -- but most new bike will apparently accept a 16/43 sprocket setup without changing the OEM chain. My bike, with about 675 miles when I made the switch,took the new sprockets with no problem.

Some people are worried about increased wear on a smaller (16 tooth) sprocket and increased wear on the swingarm protector. I have no idea about these two things long-term, but when this chain wears out (maybe before) I'm going to a 17/45 sprocket setup. the ratio is virtually identical to 16/43, but there will be no question about premature wear on the swingarm protector or the front sprocket.

Also considering going to a 530 chain for increased chain life when I make the sprocket switch. Just cuz.
I have it in the 525. I thing for riding around town it is great. Offroad it would be great as well. But on the highway, it really robs from the high end of the bike. I don't like turning 5K+ when I want to do 80mph. It really kills the fuel mileage.
 
#48 ·
ok ok, I will bite...gonna try the 16/43 since i need new chain and sprockets anyway.

16/43 with a 112 link 525 chain. sounds right?

so, i dont care about the speedo, i use my gps anyway. But reading all these threads has me confused. Will the 16/43 make my odometer show more mileage than actually travelled or less?

If I rode 100 miles (actual) what will the odometer be showing with the 16/43 gearing?

What is the fix...or are yall just leaving it.
 
#49 ·
I just performed a chain and sprocket replacement on my 2006 V this month. It had the 16/43 combo using a 525 chain. The previous owner, however, used an aftermarket 520 countershaft sprocket and an aluminum 525 rear sprocket along with a good x-ring chain. They were all dusted in a few thousand miles. He also installed the RR wheel spacer kit but put the outer spacer between the caliper carrier and the swingarm on the right side, rather than in the proper location on the left.

The bike shifted horribly and made a ton of chain noise. I had the bike up for sale and actually went so far that I almost had two trades lined up for it. In the end, though, I wanted to keep the bike and make it work, so I decided to invest some $$ into it and correct as many of the things that bugged me as I could.

I got an SV1000 17 tooth countershaft (OE with damper ring in 530), a steel 45-530 rear sprocket and a 530 o-ring chain (114 links). This combo performs identical to the 16/43 at all speeds. Between the new chain, sprockets, 530 chain and correct rear sprocket spacing, the bike feels like a different bike. The shifting is smooth and tight and I have minimal chain noise. This combo is great for all situations, including highway riding and I would never go back to 17/41 or 16/43.

There may or may not be validity to the hunting tooth principle as it relates to our bikes, but I feel better with a larger front sprocket that happens to be odd numbered and prime, and this is the combo I will stay with.
 
#53 · (Edited)
I just made the switch

I always found the Vee's gearing too high for my riding style, I'm not worried about gas mileage, and I don't do a lot of highway driving. After I test rode a Multistrada 1200 this summer I got to thinking about how I could get that kind of snappy response without modding the Vee's engine. I know - change the gearing! So I installed 16/43.

First test was to find an empty road and check the response in first gear. My Vee used to lift the front wheel if I whacked the throttle open at 4000 rpm. With the 16/43 setup, I figured I'd roll-on the throttle quickly from low (2000) rpm and see how the bike responded. When I opened the throttle the front wheel immediately launched skyward, and I had to back off to keep from going right over. OH YEAH BABY!! After some experimentation I could even get air under the front wheel from 2nd gear. What a blast! The change has made the bike feel like a rocket ship! It has really changed the character of the Vee...much snappier response, and I can use ALL the gears regularly now.

For some strange reason the bike seems quieter and it just feels....happier (I know that's weird but I can't find any other way to describe it).

I guess I've got too much sport bike blood left in me...I love the new setup and won't go back.

The speedohealer is now set at minus 16% to get GPS-correct speed! The engine turns 4100 rpm at 105 km/hr (65 mph), vs. 3500 rpm originally.

Peter
 
#54 ·
what about odometer? i really dont care about the speed, since i use my gps anyway. what is it doing to the odometer? do you fix that? or leave it.
 
#55 ·
Not sure there is a fix for the odometer. I put a speedohealer on to fix the speedo....which was off significantly @ 10%...but the odo is still off by that much. I haven't seen a solution for this since I did the swap last year.

Wayne
 
#56 ·
A speedo healer affects both the speedo and the odo by the same percentage. Drop the speedo reading down to be accurate and the odo will read low since they are ~8% and ~2% high in stock condition respectively.
 
#58 ·
Has anyone tried a 15 T front sprocket on the Vee?

I had just switched my Wee over to a 14 T front sprocket, which helped set up the Wee's performance to more closely fit my riding style,
which includes some serious back road riding here on scenic Vancouver Island.

But there ain't no substitute for cubic inches.

So I just switched from the Wee to a 2005 V1000 with only 15 K kms.
AND....
I happen to have a left over Wee 650 OEM rubber dampened 15T front sprocket.

1.] Will the OEM Wee 650 15T front sprocket slip on to a Vee countershaft?

2.] What bad chit might happen if I tried a 15 T front sprocket on a V1000??

Possibilities??
- Increased wear to swing arm protector??
- Increased wear to front sprocket?

PS: So far I am liking my V1000 A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!
It came with a couple of grand worth of extras [ Akrapovic exhaust, Power Commander, Givi rack side bags, crash bars, and windshield, ETC. ],
BUT,
it also came with the notorious CHUDDER!!!

TTFN
thanks in advance,
LAZ 1
 
#115 ·
Asking again ... 15 T WEE rubbber dampered front sprocket on VEE?

I had just switched my Wee over to a 14 T front but then I switched from the Wee to a 2005 V1000 AND....
I happen to have a left over Wee 650 OEM rubber dampened 15T front sprocket.

1.] Will the OEM Wee 650 15T front sprocket slip on to a Vee countershaft?

2.] What bad chit might happen if I tried a 15 T WEE front sprocket on a V1000??
I didn't get any answers last time, so I am asking again??
Has any one tried a 15 T front sprocket on a Vee???
Thanks
LAZ 1
 
#59 ·
Question for those whose Vee's love rocketing the front wheel skyward- how much do you guys weigh? Sitting at 280, I can't get the front tire up almost at all in first gear, let alone the second gear some people are claiming. I suppose I could with some clutch slip, but I don't want to do that. Bike has a TRE and HAD a PCIII, running with 16/43. Possibly has been yosh'd, but I have no way of knowing.

Is my fat butt the reason for the horizontal loving tendencies of the bike?
 
#60 · (Edited)
I'm at 5'11" and 180 with 16/43 gearing and my Vee won't "launch skyward" either. I see you're in Idaho and I'm in Colorado. I'll wager the difference is riding at an altitude somewhat greater than sea level. In Alaska I noticed a big difference in the way the bike felt and could see how it might perform a power wheelie. In fact, I even tried it but I was laden for a 2 week trip. And, FWIW, I just put the 16/43 gearing on mine and honestly, the jury is still out. I admit it seems a little quicker but personally I'm not sure I like the higher revs that come with it. I'm going to withhold judgment until I can test it in full trip mode... Oh, yea, last thing, with the new gearing, the difference between my speedo and GPS is really close to 20%!
 
#61 ·
Yeah, I believe that 16/43 sets your stock speedo out by about 16%, as it's almost a 10% jump down from stock. I haven't ridden the bike with stock gearing, but I do quite a bit of tooling around town and on fire/gravel/ATV roads, so I really like the gearing. May even consider 16/45 at some point. I'll also agree that it's probably the combination of my weight and the altitude. We just took a trip to visit our family in California in our Olds Intrigue (gotta love that 3.8!) and it felt a good 15-20% stronger at 45ft above sea level than it does here (5k+ ft).
 
#63 ·
im now running the 16/43 and I like it....but it sure is a difference when you get above 65 (actual) mph. with the leo vinces....the bike sounds like its screaming at around 5k rpms. I am heading to big bend and worried that the gearing is going to suck on the long hwy portions.

also....should it be affecting my air/fuel? I feel like I should runa different pcIII map now. weather did change...maybe thats it?
 
#64 ·
I do think that it is too short of gearing for sustained highway use. To do 80 mph actual you have to be doing 95 mph indicated and that is just over 5K. Granted, I have 17/45 gearing which is close, but yeah, it is awfully short for highway use. I am going to step back to 17/43 when my chain and sprockets are done.
 
#65 ·
I haven't yet done the math to ensure that you are right, but IME I don't think that 5k is screaming on this engine. Pretty much anything below 4k is lugging it. This SV transplant is happiest at 5k and up.

As for "wailing exhaust notes", one word for you"

EARPLUGS
 
#66 · (Edited)
I have 17/43 on my vee and I think it is just the right combo for socal regular bike riding freeway street mix. 16/43 seemed fine for mountain riding and 17/41 was okay for super slab but 17/43 works for both IMO.

one thing to note about 17/43 you loose a lot of adjustment. if you think you might need to get your chain off the rear before it starts to stretch. I just put a new set on and I am already at about 80% out on the swing arm. One link less and I could adjust to spec but not get it off the rear sprocket.
 
#68 ·
I have 17/43 on my vee and I think it is just the right combo for socal regular bike riding freeway street mix. 16/43 seemed fine for mountain riding and 17/41 was okay for super slab but 17/43 works for both IMO.
Same perspective I have here in NC. I'm moving to 17/43 just for a bit more acceleration through the gears and no noticeable change in 6th on the slab.

Another reason is I always like to keep the factory rubber dampered countershaft sprockets, they are more quiet than aftermarket. Also adding 2 or 3 teeth out back will shorten up the wheelbase 1/2 inch, a move in the right direction.
 
#69 ·
I think its just the exhaust making it sound like its wound out. When you let off the throttle, there isnt alot of abrupt engine braking. Just seems strange to let this "touring" bike be all revved out.

I think I will leave it for the upcoming trip. I enjoy it around town...just need to get up in the revs for the early gears to keep the rpms down when I hit OD.

As for the noise...I do get alot more engine whine with the new sprockets....I assume thats something the OEM sprocket rubber dampers would normally be masking.
 
#71 ·
As a new to me, 2005 V-strom 1000 owner, I should stay off the internet. It would save me alot of money. I just got my 16/43 sprockets yesterday, and ordered a speedo healer. I'm going to install the sprockets today. I just installed the PCIII, and it gets better and better. I do love this bike.
 
#72 ·
17-43 here best allround gearing
 
#80 ·
Changing the rear sprocket from 41 to 43 = a 4.88% change (2/41)*100 and because of the larger sprocket may require a longer chain.

Changing the front sprocket from 17 to 16 = a 5.88% change (1/17)*100 and will not require a longer chain.